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Post by deviator15 on Apr 2, 2016 1:41:41 GMT
So here is the airship in question: www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/vehicles/air-vehicles/airshipJust the generic airship nothing spectacular.(because it's not finished yet and made entirely of awesome like mine will be.) The part I am having problems with figuring out is the part for decks. It notes that it is 2 decks with the capacity of 30 tons or 100 passengers. I did get an answer of one top and one inside but the math is a rather hard thing for me to accept for what it says. It says it is a 20x60 square for its size which is fine, its a 4x12 square map hogging monster but even at that size, for medium creatures a single level would only hold 48 people, if they are all crammed into there. Now assuming it is 2 decks top and inside that's roughly 100(96 rounded up as it likely is) which would mean for 100 passengers would take up the entirety of the ship which wouldn't make sense to build for. The reason I feel it would be 2 decks inside for this is because in general you do not want a bunch of passengers sleeping on the top deck of it or cargo stored there because it is open target for anything that can get there to attack it. Bad business all around. With 2 decks inside it is allowing you an actual capacity for things likely to take up either the 30 tons or for the 100 people and shouldnt increase the size of the airship at all other than perhaps its height. I admit, i may be wrong about it but I would rather get clarification for sure and input or any other feedback you guys would be willing to provide. |
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Post by sommdiggedy on Apr 2, 2016 14:23:29 GMT
Its hard to go off of other vehicles to find out how many decks it has because I started at the beginning and saw that www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/vehicles/land-vehicles/carriage states that it is 2 decks, when its obviously the top of the carriage and the seat where the driver would sit as a "deck" And when observing the www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/vehicles/water-vehicles/galley and looking up pictures of Galleys, one can only determine that they count the top outer deck as one of the numerical decks for the stat block. Unfortunately I think you're people are just squished in there like sardines. Weird that they would put that many passengers but, it seems that from the other stat blocks it was probably an oversight. |
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Post by deviator15 on Apr 13, 2016 18:31:00 GMT
Another question I have recently come up with as I have bought a few teams and such for the airship.
When setting up rooms in the airship(either common rooms or private rooms) do i go by the standard rooms buying or is simply considered part of the ship itself and configuration doesn't count against room limits for something like this as it would actually be part of the ship itself and not buildings in a city as it normally would be?
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Post by Alfa on Apr 13, 2016 22:08:45 GMT
From the description: Passengers and cargo are carried in the ship. So this would imply the top deck is always left empty for other purposes. In other words the max load or passengers must fit inside. Just some googling: A deck is a permanent covering over a compartment or a hull of a ship. On a boat or ship, the primary or upper deck is the horizontal structure which forms the 'roof' for the hull, which both strengthens the hull and serves as the primary working surface. However: Vessels often have more than one level both within the hull and in the superstructure above the primary deck which are similar to the floors of a multi-storey building, and which are also referred to as decks, as are specific compartments and decks built over specific areas of the superstructure. Decks for some purposes have specific names. So my guess is also that the upper deck is included in the 2 deck thingy. Cargo is cargo and can be stacked in anyway. But the question is about the 100 people - are they then transported like they are cargo or do they have reasonable comfort? So let's look at weight. 1 person would average around 70 kilograms. Taking 60 for female and 80 for male. 1 ton (assuming this is metric (but US and UK ton's are close to this anyways)) = 1000 kg. (of course you can argue about average weight and all that - but just look ahead it doesn't really matter) 1000/70 = 14.28 people. 14.28x30 (for 30 ton) = 428.4 people. Now lets look at size. An average person to have reasonable comfort would require 2x1 meter at minimum. This way the person has enough room to sit and lie down. So 100 people would need 200x1= 200 m2 = 2152.782 ft2. This are specs from the Hindenburg: www.airships.net/hindenburg/size-speedLength: 245 m / 803.8 feet Diameter: 41.2 m / 135.1 feet Passengers: 50 sleeping berths (1936); 72 sleeping berths (1937) So perhaps find a map of the Hindenburg and see how they had made the decks? Might give you a good idea. www.bing.com/images/search?q=hindenburg%20layout&qs=n&form=QBIRMH&pq=hindenburg%20layout&sc=0-0&sp=-1&sk=Hope it helps - I got a little carried away. |
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Post by deviator15 on Apr 13, 2016 22:46:22 GMT
I like carried away as carried away gives the most details. however for the decks it has already been ruled that it is the top deck and inside deck. now if there is a seperate storage space or not was not something I had considered and would have to see if it might have a seperate area under the second inside deck for actual storage and such which is basically just empty space. if it does then that could change things considerably for the ship but otherwise this is all very useful information and feedback. Thank you.
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Post by Delta on Apr 21, 2016 8:55:43 GMT
You're probably reading to much into it. it's probably a 20x60 square for the mechanical purposes of representing combat on a table without presumably taking up the entire table.
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Post by deviator15 on Apr 21, 2016 16:38:03 GMT
I mean you very well may be right. I just do not want to misrepresent anything. If that is the case is there some general consensus or could there be one for how much room I actually have to work with? I have started to put in walls for interior layout but it really is such a small amount of space at 20x60 it only gives me a 4x12 area to work with and it is extremely limiting in terms of amount of space for rooms or the like.
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Post by aku on Apr 22, 2016 11:32:53 GMT
What happens if you ignore the actual distance listed, and just built it to the number of squares listed? It looks to me, judging by some of the other vehicles they f'd up their sizes, the sailing ships are listed as being like 20 x 75, but only being 3 squares....
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Post by deviator15 on Apr 22, 2016 19:42:16 GMT
Trajan actually had told me to make it 6 larger on each side(by squares) so I am hoping he meant to knock the actual size up to 16x24(12 actually added for the 6/side) because that would be like perfect. would give me a minimum of 4 sqaures per room on both decks if im doing the 100 person limit. I'm not but that gives me the space to keep all compartments inside with minimal things on top.
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